Anyone who says otherwise or who tries to slam someone for not telling immediately just doesnt know what theyre talking about. We are the only ones allowing them through even though I am starting to disallow some. Willow Creek / Bill Hybels had IT powered by the Ambien Operating System. Someday you may well find out what a fool you have been. If you want to highlight, in every comment, this is not your blog. Once again, that is left in the capable Hands of our Father. Thanks, Barbara, for your outstanding work. She claims Bill Hybels brought up the incident in Hawaii about the ambien. Thanks, Futurist Guy. Read the Bible. There will always be outrage when the celebrity idols are touched in any way. So when comparitve newcomer Paul withstood Cephas to his face because he stood to be condemned per Galatians 2:11-14, some may have seen it as slamming one of Gods anointed. A cheap way to expand. Barb, I must say, you have this amazing gift of being able to cut through a persons (premeditated) bullpoo. Dr George Simon Jr a clinical psychologist and writes about character disorder, manipulative personalities and malignant narcissism. Anti-semitic ? So much for their Christian wittiness, huh? Paul was a tentmaker, so they had other jobs. He wanted to find out if she was still angry with him and what she would do about it if she was. Activism. On our travels last summer one of the high points for my husband was to attend Willow Creek Church. This is MBA stuff. Long after no one can remember Willow Creek and the building is long gone, Jesus will still be Lord. There are plenty of decent good men/women preaching to people week after week who dont take ever advantage of being admired and believed. "Who will pay for the SBCs abuse reforms over the long term? The beast must be fed. He has two children with his wife, Lynn whom he married in 1974. Instead of turning the other cheek or choosing kindness in the midst of your disappointment, I see anger and a willingness to hurt other people. Blank stares all around. I understand why comments are moderated Im not criticizing. Dee, Example, why did you agree in front of everyone to stay after everyone they all left,you idiot. So, what led to the divorce? I assume you mean well. Terrible, terrible thing. Like Jesus, they healed people. This is Uncharted Territory for them. What needs to be addressed is that this is not a matter of somehow eliminating the existence of random perverts, as if such a thing were possible. I could go on and one, but my point is that serial abusers are very, very clever. Listen to yourself, Brad! I know this sounds harsh but its notbecause I am guilty, too. Edit Little nobodies dont stand a chance. So, Ive also read it in the Original Languages. Alway such an emphasis on putting Willow Creek 1st, how about putting Jesus 1st? Unless, of course, its useful as an excuse You tell your kids That was wrong. First-run movies, gym memberships, bowling alleys, rock-climbing, restaurant franchises, lotsa merch & swag, all for a simple swipe or tap of your card (or phone app) charging each and every tap/swipe to your student loan? Sidenote: My (female) cousin took it personally one time when we side hugged her instead of a full hug! Christian vs. Jew She had no way of knowing of other incidents and we now see why. And sadly most victims spend YEARS time trying to answer the question why they were targeted. @ Lea: If you ever get the chance find the book, Corporate Cults. The difference is the internet makes it much harder to try to shame each of us in person individually.. Blogs such as WW are an encouragement to me. Its hard to tell what I havent read. Incidentally, I am sure there are many nuances to the science, and I make no claim to be an expert. Is this a ruse to further that idea? Salvation: in the ned this in the hands of the One with the higher Pay Grade. Nancy, like Vonda, believed her experience with Bill was an isolated incident. Please bear with me. And everyone wants to work there. Prestige of Willow Creek? @ Dee Parsons: Sometime in the next two weeks, I am going to write a story about a woman who was raped by her husband. This is exactly what you would expect from some Neo-pharisee trying to hide his sin from the world. Electronic medical records are a good example of confidentiality in action. Surrounded by sycophants, who knew better. That statement should never have been sent out and hasnt been corrected to this day! Weve heard it before Drugs made me do it Alcohol made me do it My wife made me do it etc. Refuse to settle for eloquent lechers. It was through him that I first heard the Gospel as a nonChristian teen in a nonChristian family in Salem MA. That is hard to deal with. when Bill Hybels prayed for/about something no matter what it was, that according to Hybels God always answered him immediately or within days, Indeed, the Lords hand is not too short to save, and His ear is not too deaf to hear. Wow. My NPD/Sociopath brother once set up a long con against our stepmother, grooming ally after ally FOR SEVERAL YEARS in his TRVTH! @ okrapod: Is Lynne Hybels Still Married To Bill Yes. Her pastor said that her body belonged to her husband and he could do whatever he wanted to do. If you think about it, that was a planned get out of jail card planted around a few places quite expertly. Thanks for the info. Nothing substitutes for diligent study and wide reading. he did so because there were problems and he knew more would come. Davids own relationship with God was apparently restored, David continued to worship the God of Israel-to his death as far as I know. And his comment is A church? Leave the tabulations to the guy with the higher pay grade. In 1974 Lynne married Bill Hybels, a youth pastor. I looked it up and way down on the list it says rarely it might cause some to do things they dont remember. How they must love what they do! I mean, most say they want the truth. Its what someone mentioned in another thread about 75% of people go along with whatever to be accepted. Association of Related Churches This reminds me of Bob Packwood, a former senator from my state. The term for this is Simul Justus et Peccator. That is me, that is you and that is everyone else. He also told them this parable: Can the blind lead the blind? But at church with people you see week after week? But If you make a big deal about nothing, you are the problem. This was mishandled. Think of the reaction if this had gone to the media and by passed the elders. Why would a woman follow the same God that her husband says excuses adultery? How would I know. Catherine-you are in permanent moderation. I pray every day for you-know-who to be able to find a way out of teaching which did not result in poverty. Nancy had no idea that he was doing this to other women. He did so for a reason and it is time to wake up and smell the coffee. The invitation to the first Family Meeting stated in the first paragraph that this group wanted to damage the church and the senior pastor! They also have two children together, whose name we don't know. Statement removes all doubt, in my opinion, regarding serious sexual sin and leadership issues at Willow Creek Community Church as it comes to Bill Hybels. A year later they started Willow Creek Community Church. I believe the accusers in this case especially since you corroborate that they knew the difference in a hug and a hug. William Hybels (born December 12, 1951) is an American church figure and author. Like you, quite a few of us have spent years studying it deeply. My wife worked for a Fortune 500 and did grad work in the hard sciences, she taught for a Pac12 university, I have taught law in higher ed for 15 years. We made sure I would not be placed in a situation like that again. No amount of marketing spin can change the fact that if these allegations are true, and they now appear quite credible, that you were following a fraudand quite naturally, are now acting like one yourself. As we said in Old School D&D about 3rd-level spells, You can do a lot more damage with one Suggestion in the right place than a dozen Fireballs.. What happened to Willow Creek? People so manipulated, though wounded, never quite understand what is causing the pain. It is the Spirits job to convict and change. This pastor allowed abuse to continue under his nose and I am going to call him on it. Not that hugs are linked to drugs; I am just meandering. I know men who are capable of hugging without copping a feel Some people, educated people, decent people, never talked. And it shall come to pass that, like as I have watched over them to pluck up and to break down and to overthrow and to destroy and to afflict, so will I watch over them to build and to plant, saith Jehovah. (Jeremiah 31:28), @ Davis and Natasha: I dont know what you have been told but, according to the Bible, Jesus is the one who brings people to Himself. The Church is built on Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit, not on them. In 2014, Leanne Mellado let me know that a good friend of hers had shared a disturbing story. But at church with people you see week after week? That is where I had to start over. Then Simon Peter, who had a sword, drew it and struck the high priests servant, cutting off his right ear. Prayer Requests Older churches tend to have better systems in place for transitions and maybe enough history to understand that a church is not one man. I did this research a while back, so if Im remembering right, a few things I read indicated that the evidence destroyed/withheld would automatically be assumed to be against the legal case of those who destroyed/withheld it, and the jury was instructed that they were required to view the situation that way. This caliber of leaders dont just stay quiet. My problem with all of this is that I am no fan of or apologist for mega churches or mega stars of any stripe. I bet she had help. If you (the church at Ephesus) do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place. Rev 2:7. He is married to Lynne Hybels since 1974. There is a reason that statute of limitations are being revised throughout the country. But I can certainly tell when a guy does it to cop a feel. havent forgotten. "The question of how to pay for reforms long-term became an issue this week after the SBCs Executive Committee announced it had lost $6 million over the past fiscal year, mainly due to the cost of responding to the sex abuse crisis. Publishing is a major part of a celebritys platform. To fellowship with other believers? The Devil is destroying yet another church. Theres much interesting reading on the Donald MacLeod thread, including this 1988 quote posted Thursday by Malcolm, from Mr James Fraser: his response failed to allay my fears that there was some truth in the allegations. I was prescribed ambien, and I was one of those affected in that way behaving strangely and not remembering it the next day. Or perhaps some women get hugged one way or the other disproportionately for one reason or the other and therefore complain or not about hugging-ness. I knew all this stuff from my secular org development career but did not transfer it to the church setting right way. I was so sorry to learn about all of this yesterday and Willow Creek Church. When was the last time you led someone to Jesus? This is largely Christianese. Just to preface: I am a nobody and not a perfect saint. And could it easily be construed as creating complicity by whoever carried out that demand? No one walks away unascathed. To fellowship with other believers? Instead, these women were displayed like his leadership trophies. 4:10-11 ESV), For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. Add a spiritual plastic Jesus fish to the scenario above and its 10x easier to manipulate. This is about strange behavior which was tolerated because one guy knew how to build a church and bring in money. It has bearing but perhaps not in the way that Jodi intends. https://futuristguymedia.wordpress.com/pyramid-of-abuse-and-culpability-complicity/. * It is about power and control and until people in churches get this, they will be waaaaay behind the culture. there was nothing inappropriate about Bill trying to guide your whole self as an up and coming leader. Lynne Hybels is the wife of Bill Hybels-renowned founder and senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church in Illinois. Sometimes theyre letting you know who theyve really been followingand who they havent been. And since Peter came up in another reply of yours along with a list of credentials with almost everything but being a Pharisee of the Pharisees lets think of his credentials by the time Paul met up with him in Anotich. They dont feel like telling anyone, just swallow it and hold it in. How hard is it for men to keep their hands off women in the work environment? Walking away from an institution is not the same as walking away from faith in Christ. @ dee: If they were sent and stored in a encrypted format, then you would need the key to open them and read them. But I have not noticed any hugging at the hospital or at any doctors or dentists office. It would be very nice if he went to each one of them with other unbiased witnesses, and came to understand how his behavior, even if it was misconstrued, had affected them and apologized it would be nice, but I know that sometime you have to conduct your own healing process, with the help of God of course, and others regardless of the abusers behavior. See, here is the problem . I wonder if churches have convinced themselves of the same. Not at all but this bit sums up Hybels Leadership acumen we used to make fun of in the 90s. Now the manipulation continues as the abused who have raised their voices are abused yet again. I dont know if you have any experience with megachurch staffs or not. It alarmed me to learn that Nancy Ortberg was also the subject of Bill Hybels unwanted attention and actions. Willow Creek is its own worst enemy not Satan. Thus, a comment with an accusatory flail that the bride of Christ is being slammed does much more to define you than your list of purported credentials than the site hosts and most of the responsible contributors in the comments section. Ever. You think you know yet you dont. I have seen it for over 20 years. Its like a funhouse mirror of the Christianity I used to follow. Hes clearly a narcissistic predator, and I feel so horrible for his victims, his family, and especially those for who the spell hasnt been broken yet and whom he will continue to abuse. Ive been to Ephesus and it is just a tourist destination. You will be swamped with Williow Creek and Bill Hybels telling us how to and their morality. When you read it, I think you might as well. 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